Homecoming of Rebirth

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Lao Qin listened carefully, and waited for Master Tuo to finish speaking, "Then what do you mean?"

Ma Tuo, "I mean, can we think of a way to help?"

"Well..." Old Qin hesitated, took a sip of water slowly, and then nodded happily, "I want to help! I definitely want to help!"

He said with a smile: "Our office has been revolving around him for the past few years, and it has reached this point. How can there be any reason to stand by and watch?"

"But the problem is..." The conversation changed, "How can I help?"

Master Tuo, "??"

Old Qin, "To put it bluntly, it's not that we don't want to help, but that we can't help for the time being!"

Tuo Ye, "Why?"

Old Qin smiled wryly, "Do you think we haven't thought about the things he's thinking about? But this matter..."

Somewhat distorted, "How should I put it? If he asks us to help him with tricks and steal some foreign technology, then his old uncle Bei is obliged to do what he wants."

"But the matter in front of me is different from the past, so it's not easy!"

The issues that Qi Lei was worried about, Lao Qin and other people in his office, including the senior leaders, had already thought of them.Even one or two years in advance, we are rehearsing the current situation and looking for solutions to problems.

Nuo is big in China, Qi Lei is not the only capable person, nor is he the only one who is fighting for this country, Lao Qin already wants to be ahead of Qi Lei in many things.

Including, how to use the advanced technology when it is brought back, and how to play a role.

However, just as Qi Lei is distressed now, this matter is too complicated and not easy to handle.

"Little horse!" Old Qin sighed, "Did you know? Not only is Qi Shitou alone in Beiguang looking for answers, in fact, many ministries and commissions have been organizing experts to discuss, and hundreds of people are thinking of solutions. "

"But the problem is that we have no experience to learn from. We are walking in the dark, and we haven't touched the right path yet."

This is the crux of the problem. What Qi Lei is doing has been completely separated from the word "experience" since a long time ago.

Probably starting from the "insight model", his behavior trajectory has no experience to learn from.

So much so that later, like a white wolf with empty hands, he got ARM back, and established North American Three Stones with Paulson, and now ASML and Tokki are completely unexpected, and it is completely unclear how he got it back.

It really caught my own people by surprise.

So far, there are still upper-level people who feel that it is not true. How can ARM become ours?

Outsiders, or from the perspective of 20 years later, isn't it normal for him to be able to do this as a reborn?

However, from the perspective of people of this era, it is not normal at all.

This is as absurd as a naughty son in an ordinary family who suddenly bought a tank from an overseas arms dealer for free, and it was the most advanced one.

You ask dad how to open this thing?Dad hasn't opened it before, and he hasn't seen it before, so what's the matter?

Therefore, Lao Qin also wants to know, now that he has these technological pinnacles and technological islands, what should he do, and how can he maximize his benefits.

But the problem is that, after searching carefully at home and abroad, no reference object can be found.

If you have no experience, you have to be cautious.If you fail to fire a cannon at your own home, it will not be an advantage, but a big loss.

"Many people are discussing it now, but there is no result yet."

Master Tuo nodded when he heard this.

After pondering for a long while, he suddenly said, "Brother Li, can I try?"

"Ok?"

Old Qin was startled, and then beamed with joy, "Okay! Do you have an idea?"

I saw Master Tuo pushing his glasses embarrassingly, "Later, I communicated with Teacher Xiao Qi again. I had some thoughts at that time, which coincided with some of his thoughts."

"How should I put it? It's more complicated, and Mr. Qi has neither the energy nor the ability to realize this idea."

"When I came back, I thought about it all the way, maybe we can try."

"I happen to be idle too, why don't you let me try?"

Old Qin, "Okay!"

Master Tuo can find things to do by himself, which is a good thing, and he can't run away for the time being!

Besides, a dead horse is a living horse doctor!Anyway, so many experts are still scratching their heads. As long as it is not in the implementation stage, it will not work well.

"Tell me first, what do you think?"

Seeing Lao Qin being so supportive, Ma Tuo also became angry, "I still can't tell you the specific details, and Teacher Xiao Qi is just an idea. In a nutshell, it is..."

Old Qin, "Don't be shy! Just say it boldly!"

Ma Tuo, "Okay! I think the problem is not as serious as imagined. Since we can't learn from the experience of the West, we might as well proceed from the national conditions and use our own resources and advantages to fight a tough battle."

Lao Qin hesitated, "You mean, do it yourself without asking for help? Localization of the entire industrial chain?"

Ma Tuo's eyes were firm, "Yes! Don't ask for help, do it yourself!"

"This..." Lao Qin hesitated.

As I said before, such as photolithography machines and evaporation machines belong to the category of "small but precise".

In other words, the scale is not large, but the technical foundation and investment required are not small at all.

If you throw in hundreds of billions, you will be number one in the world, and you will be able to do all the business, and you will get a return of several billions a year.

In fact, this was the reason why Qi Lei, including Lao Qin and the experts behind him hesitated, the money invested would not be able to return to the original.

Moreover, the national conditions do not allow you to spend so much.

It's a bit like the popular ballpoint pen roller ball in the later generations. Everyone is scolding, "You have to import even a pen nib roller ball, so what are you talking about technological development?" But that thing is not so logical, okay?

The whole world uses so many tons a year, why do you develop it?

It's a money-losing deal.

Now if lithography machines and vapor deposition machines are produced nationwide, it will actually have a little bit of that taste. (03 and 19 are two different things)

Ma Tuo said at this time: "This matter may not be as pessimistic as we imagined."

Old Qin, "How do you say it?"

Tuo Ye, "Maybe structural optimization can be used to offset part of the cost, and the final realization of localization may not necessarily be a loss-making business, but it can also help us complete part of the infrastructure and talent pool."

Lao Qin became even more interested when he heard this, "Tell me!"

Tuoye organized his words, "My thoughts are like this, please help me check."

"Take the lithography machine as an example. The final assembly, which is the key link, still needs to be completed by ASML, and Mr. Qi can figure out a way to realize it. Whether it is a loss or a profit is a business issue. No matter what, It won't have a big impact either."

Lao Qin nodded, "What about upstream and downstream industries and raw materials?"

Many special materials and high-tech components required by lithography machines are basically "0" and all rely on imports.

If you engage in self-research and invest a lot, it can be said that this is the big boss.

Ma Tuo, "My suggestion is to split the upstream and downstream industries of lithography machines and material technology into several projects."

"Then, it's a matter of overall planning and scheduling."

"Classify and grade these projects, roughly divided into high commercial value-added, low commercial value-added and no commercial value-added. At the same time, distinguish high-risk projects and low-risk projects, and then divide the above distinctions into one level, high-sensitive projects and low-sensitivity items.”

"Assign projects with little commercial value to various universities, research institutes, and government laboratories, and use education funds and research funds to offset costs."

"In this way, not only can the risk be greatly reduced, but also a group of directional talents can be cultivated, and talent reserves and infrastructure construction can be completed."

Lao Qin nodded, that's the reason.

Tuo Ye, "Low commercial value-added projects are undertaken by state-owned enterprises, and the state-owned enterprise mechanism is used to share costs and optimize the structure."

As for projects with high commercial value, it is simple. "Social bidding is handed over to private companies. The benefits of using commercial profits to attract private capital to join the battle are obvious."

Lao Qin listened with gusto, but his expression was still serious, "Continue, isn't there still high risk and low risk?"

Ma Tuo, "This requires the full involvement of government forces. For low-risk projects, we can let them go and let them develop."

"As for high-risk projects, corresponding support policies can be introduced to offset part of the risks and increase the anti-risk capabilities and enthusiasm of enterprises and institutions."

Old Qin, "What about high sensitivity and low sensitivity?"

Ma Tuo, "Highly sensitive, that is, it may trigger sensitive responses from external forces. Whether it is at the technical level or at the trade level, there is nothing to say about preventing upstream and downstream supporting facilities, equipment embargoes and blockades. We can only rely on ourselves. !"

"It's another matter to be low-sensitivity. Even if there is a trade conflict between the East and the West, it is unlikely to be affected. Then there is no need for us to do it ourselves."

"Projects with low commercial value and no commercial value can be used as conditions for attracting investment to seek international cooperation."

"This is like the automobile industry, which can be obtained from outside in the form of wholly-owned or market-for-technology."

After explaining his idea, Ma Tuo was a little embarrassed, "I haven't calculated it, it's just an idea after all. But I think this can greatly reduce the risk and cost of research and development, and it should be within the range we can bear."

"It's not impossible to do it yourself!"

Old Qin, "..."

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Chapter 587

After Ma Tuo finished speaking, Lao Qin said, "..."

In silence, fell into deep thought.

Ma Tuo's set of things, or the set of things he and Qi Lei came up with together, is indeed a bit dry.

In fact, Lao Qin had suspected it before, for someone like Qi Lei, with something as fine as a monkey, he really has nothing to do?

Lao Qin doesn't believe it!

He didn't even believe that Qi Lei didn't realize the existence of the problem until today.

Logically speaking, Qi Lei should have had an idea long ago if he took one step and watched three steps.

Now it seems that his thinking is correct, Qi Lei really has a countermeasure long ago.

Isn't this the countermeasure?

It's just that he doesn't understand, as for Qi Lei's thick skin, he has a way, how could he not speak up?

Now Lao Qin finally understood why Qi Lei didn't come to talk to him about this matter.

Because Qi Lei couldn't open his mouth, he couldn't lead the way.

First, to put it bluntly, this is tantamount to mobilizing the power of the whole country to help him do great things.Although the nature is not that nature, but that's what it says.They all revolved around him, how could he speak?

Secondly, don't look at what Ma Tuo said is simple, the whole industry is optimized, and it is deployed in a unified manner, but it is actually extremely complicated.

That's not the case at all. If you want to talk about industrial optimization and focus on big things, we are familiar with this routine!

But this time it's not that simple.

Take the lithography machine as an example. Ma Tuo said lightly, splitting the upstream and downstream and supporting facilities into several small projects.

It sounds easy, but the key lies in how much!How much is it?

It may be hundreds or thousands of small projects.

To classify so many small items requires precision, understanding of the industry situation across the country, and overall planning. Ordinary people can't do it, and ordinary people can't do it either.

Moreover, it doesn't matter if the classification is completed, it requires an organization, or an association, to communicate and implement.

It's a job that ordinary people can't do.

Not to mention, it is not a lithography machine.The few hot ones that Qi Lei worked out had to follow this routine, thinking about it gave Lao Qin a headache.

In fact, no one has thought about splitting up the overall planning?

The expert group had thought about it a long time ago, and finally decided that it would not work.The main problem is that it is too complicated to coordinate, and no one dares to take on this job.

Rubbing between her brows, "It's a good idea, but..."

Ma Tuo, "It's too difficult to implement, isn't it?"

Ma Tuo also knew that it was too difficult to implement.

In fact, Lao Qin guessed wrong, Qi Lei didn't open his mouth, not because he couldn't hold back his face.As far as his stupid face is concerned, whenever possible, he won't care about shamelessness, as long as he has a clear conscience!

The reason why Qi Lei didn't speak up was because the overall planning process was too complicated, he didn't have the energy to do it, why did he propose it?

At this time, Ma Tuo said: "But Brother Li, we have no choice!"